tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post7369303284693539740..comments2024-03-28T05:22:18.097-04:00Comments on ESCHATOLOGY TODAY: In Defense of Isralestine: The Errors of Dr. Thomas Ice in "Consistent Biblical Futurism (Part 10)"Sean Osbornehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-84841215262687099832013-09-16T06:44:26.328-04:002013-09-16T06:44:26.328-04:00Hartdawg,
With Part 11 Dr. Tommy Ice continues wi...Hartdawg,<br /><br />With Part 11 Dr. Tommy Ice continues with his ad hominem attack upon Bill Salus and once again states something which is clearly <b>a ridiculous bald-faced lie</b> regarding what Bill Salus has written in his books. This kind of exceedingly rude coldness towards a brother-in-Christ has me thinking of Dr. Tommy Ice as more of an Iceman than a brother-in-Christ. After expressing my outrage once again, I may well be of the mind to ignore anything else that cometh from the Iceman.<br /><br />What has Ice said? I'll quote him:<br /><br />"<i>Salus contends that <b>Psalm 83 teaches an Israeli war with her surrounding neighbors before the rapture takes place</b> that will set the stage for post-rapture events like the Gog & Magog war and the tribulation.</i><br /><br />Say what?! Let me repeat it...<br /><br />Ice says Bill Salus teaches that <b>Psalm 83 teaches an Israeli war with her surrounding neighbors before the rapture takes place.</b><br /><br /><b>Number 1.</b> Nowhere in Isralestine has Bill Salus stated anything remotely close to saying that Psalm 83 teaches about a war to occur prior to the Harpazo. The assertion of Dr. Tommy Ice here is first and foremost a patently absurd lie.<br /><br /><b>Number 2.</b> What part of Israel's 'War of Independence' in 1948 against all of her surrounding Arab Islamic neighbors, or the Six Day War of 1967, or the Yom Kippur War on 1973 did Dr. Tommy Ice miss on the evening news back during those days???<br /><br />Now I know darn well Dr. Tommy Ice was among the living at that time, particularly during the wars of 1967 and 1973.<br /><br />Did these wars occur before the Harpazo? Only someone who was and remains in a coma since those times would deny it.<br /><br />Therefore, Dr. Tommy Ice is demonstrably wrong on two distinct items within a single sentence that has come from within his own "fertile imagination." Me thinks the Iceman suffers from a form a permanent, futuristic 'brain freeze' that is not the result of gulping down a really cold drink or lump of semi-soft Italian Ice.Sean Osbornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-70348088721305942152013-09-15T14:39:14.411-04:002013-09-15T14:39:14.411-04:00Thomas ice is at it again. On the bible prophecy b...Thomas ice is at it again. On the bible prophecy blog is another article by Thomas ice. Pt 11. He says Bill salus proclaimed psalm 83 occurs before the rapture. I don't think Bill ever said that. (I personally think psalm 83 does occur before the rapture but that's a different topic) if Bill never said that then wouldn't it be kinda like lying?hartdawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554733830775640375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-83224649659625617142013-09-15T07:22:02.695-04:002013-09-15T07:22:02.695-04:00GG5,
There are many things that were expressed by...GG5,<br /><br />There are many things that were expressed by Finis Dake that I have have found to be absolutely correct and/or agree with during my own independent walk with the Lord. This occurred during a time in which when I had never even heard of Finis Dake much less read anything he had written. Therefore I can only conclude that Finis Dake was led by the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />The way in which Finis was (and still is) treated by fellow believers is just shameful in my opinion, and that type of treatment is quite similar to the manner in which Dr. Thomas Ice and his several like-minded fellow travelers have treated brother Bill Salus since the publication of Isralestine. Until sincere Spirit-led apologies are extended to Bill Salus by these people then I will have nothing more to do with them.<br /><br />As the saying goes, people who live in glass houses...Sean Osbornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-53701876397992879722013-09-14T15:45:19.432-04:002013-09-14T15:45:19.432-04:00Sean,
I really get distressed when I see leaders s...Sean,<br />I really get distressed when I see leaders such as Dr. Ice condemning other Christians and you are right to take him to task. A long time ago, and I mean a long Time ago, the Dake Study Bible was a favored publication and I really learned greatly from it as a brand new Believer. I was young enough to be able to see the fine print clearly. But there were things in the Dake Bible that others disputed and didn't agree on. However, they talked to each other in a Brotherly manner and everyone benefited by it. I still enjoy Finis' work and I still try to see that little tiny print.<br /><br />I am still enjoying and learning from Bill Salus' book that you so graciously sent to me. I most generally buzz right through anything I am reading but not with Bill's book. It requires real digging and absorbing, which I am doing. Learning all the time and I so thank him for the time and great insight he has provided to all of us. <br />Keeping Dr. Ice in my prayers too and thank you for addressing the issues squarely and fairly. <br /><br />Shalom, GG5Great Grany 5https://www.blogger.com/profile/18206987625062582113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-54456930226184837292013-09-10T09:49:03.374-04:002013-09-10T09:49:03.374-04:00Andre wrote:
hartdawg... I agree... ps 83 is what...Andre wrote:<br /><br /><i>hartdawg... I agree... ps 83 is what I believe to be the next prophetic event to come, unless the rapture come first. Nevertheless PS 83 cannot be bypassed.</i><br /><br />Andre,<br /><br />this is true, but I think it would be more correct to say that Psalm 83 will come to a complete and literal fulfillment instead of saying that it cannot be bypassed. <br /><br /><i>My point is simple...eschatology does not save souls..it is not another gospel. </i><br /><br />LOL. In case you haven't noticed, Eschatology Today is a blog that is specifically dedicated to the study of Biblical eschatology.<br /><br />Secondly, the study of prophecy (Biblical eschatology) does indeed save souls, particularly all of the verses in the Bible which convey or expound upon <b>the prophetic promise that is John 3:16 (NKJV)</b><br /><br />"<i>For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.</i>" <br /><br />Has this Divine and absolute promise actually come to pass yet? <br /><br />Not yet, life eternal is a gift that is still future. By faith we accept and believe in the promise of life eternal in Christ, as is also declared by the prophecy of John 14:2.Sean Osbornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-15273383414743915072013-09-09T20:13:04.359-04:002013-09-09T20:13:04.359-04:00I always had respect for Thomas ice and Tim lehaye...I always had respect for Thomas ice and Tim lehaye but this attack and lack of scholarship is pathetic. To overlook the psalm 83 prophecy is one thing, but to deny it in the light of overwhelming scriptural evidence and current events is just plain wrong. Can you offer another satisfactory explanation of their absence in Gog/Magog? Or please explain why the psalm 83 nations are listed as being destroyed earlier in Ezekiel.....and in Zephaniah. Please explain away the fact that you see the psalm 83 nations plotting Israel's demise on the news. The only book by bill salus I read was isrealstine. I haven't read his other books but I seen enough to know that he rightly divides the Holy Word of God. Someday I'll get a chance to read his other books.....to attack him is just unchristlikehartdawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554733830775640375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-35378554427243800182013-09-09T20:05:52.102-04:002013-09-09T20:05:52.102-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.hartdawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554733830775640375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-1513395788258443522013-09-09T09:32:12.914-04:002013-09-09T09:32:12.914-04:00Kenny,
I looked right past this because all I sa...Kenny, <br /><br />I looked right past this because all I saw was that it came in from "Anonymous."<br /><br />Then I read the comment in full after it was posted and remembered I had sent you Bill Salus' newest book and DVD.<br /><br />I will let Bill know personally about this comment you've made and I can guarantee you 100% that he will appreciate the compliments you've given to him. Sean Osbornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-91603346404794914182013-09-09T08:22:51.691-04:002013-09-09T08:22:51.691-04:00Sean:
I have read Dr. Ice's comments and find...Sean:<br /><br />I have read Dr. Ice's comments and find those comments without merit. He doesn't cite any scripture to back his comments at all.<br /><br />As you know, Sean, You sent me the CD's and Book by Bill Salus, Psalms 83, The Missing Prophecy Revealed.<br /><br />I have read and used this bood as a bible study and find all of his facts are based on scripture as evidence, not manufactured or speculative as Dr. Ice's language.<br /><br />Bill Salus did not come to writing about this Prophecy alone as in the introduction a number of bible scholars have a positive reaction.<br /><br />Most importantly I learned as from this book. Praise the Lord that there are still Bible believing Christians or men of God that still discipline the Word of God in the context the Holy Spirit leads us to teach as in 1 Corin 2:12-16Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-63119417122305276932013-09-09T05:56:05.649-04:002013-09-09T05:56:05.649-04:00Mark,
Thanks and obviously I agree with your comm...Mark,<br /><br />Thanks and obviously I agree with your comment.<br /><br />This was written for the purposes of: <br /><br />1) Letting our brethren and those who published Dr. Ice's unwarranted personal attack know that we do see it for what it truly is and that we do not tolerate such venom as being a part of the witness of the Bride of Christ to the world<br /><br />2) To make the proper correction based upon the facts the Lord has informed us of by His Word regarding who the specific places and peoples named in Asaph's imprecatory prophecy are; to call out Dr. Ice's egregious Scriptural error in the hope that he recognizes it and corrects it as he has said he would.Sean Osbornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-73293729841922070082013-09-08T19:46:41.608-04:002013-09-08T19:46:41.608-04:00Andre,
Brother, I think the times in which we liv...Andre,<br /><br />Brother, I think the times in which we live are passing by a lot faster than anyone of us truly realizes.<br /><br />The title of the huge hit song you cited, "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" is from the secular 1980s band "Tears for Fears." The song was released in 1985. 28 years ago, to be precise.<br /><br />That said, I understand the point you're making implicitly.<br /><br />The unfortunate thing is that your view only emerges after a rather vicious personal attack, as has been posted by Dr. Ice against Bill Salus, appears and is identified for what it is.<br /><br />The truly sad state of affairs in these last days is that there is a legion's worth of completely misplaced and sanctimonious division within the Bride of Christ.<br /><br />Many so-called Christians claim communion with the Holy Spirit, but the sad fact of the matter is that a very, very precious few of them actually exhibit the fruit of that alleged communion with the Holy Spirit experience.Sean Osbornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16635416157001117844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8373186484944191934.post-7056402234985674452013-09-08T17:04:36.883-04:002013-09-08T17:04:36.883-04:00Thanks Sean for taking time to point out the error...Thanks Sean for taking time to point out the errors and bad behavior of Dr. Ice. I have to say, I was shocked myself to see the apparent venom with which he seem go after Bill S. I am not sure why Dr. Ice took it upon himself to launch such a vicious attack on Bill, but it really did stain his own reputation, to a degree, in my humble opinion. We all have disagreements from time to time on the meaning and timing of various eschatolical prophecies, but I think Dr. Ice went a little be on the "over-zealous" side of a disagreement. <br /><br />Thanks again for taking time to address what comes down to as very poor behavior on someone who holds a PhD in theology, Dr. Ice.<br /><br />Shalom,<br /><br />Maranatha! MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com