Friday, April 27, 2012

Jeremiah 49: Will a Coalition of Nations Move Against Iran? (Yes, They Will!!)



27 April 2012: At this point, some 19 months since first posting this "work in progress," there exists for the first time very strong evidence for the existence of a coalition of nations prepared to move militarily against the nuclear weapons aspirations of the Islamic Republic of Iran in what I believe will be a highly probable literal fulfillment in our day of Jeremiah 49:34-39. (Please read the original posit on this interpretive theory down below for a refresher if that is necessary.)

Israel Defense Forces Chief-of-Staff Lientenant General Binyamin "Benny" Gantz informed the world yesterday of the existence of a coalition of nations who are prepared to execute offensive, preemptory military strikes on Iranian military targets should it become necessary to do so. While not specifying which nations would join Israel in striking Iran, LTG Gantz was completely unambiguous in the words he used:

 "The military force is ready, not only our forces, but other forces as well. We all hope that there will be no necessity to use this force, but we are absolutely sure of its existence."   
 There is no doubt in my mind that the Shi'a Twelver regime in Iran hold that the acquisition of an indigenous nuclear weapons and delivery capability as the key to achieving a chaotic and apocalyptic scenario in order to self-fulfill their own eschatological beliefs about an Islamic messianic figure known as the al-Mahdi. In this context it is simply not possible for the Iranian regime to abandon its eschatological beliefs any more than it would be for the Bride of Christ to abandon the blessed hope of the Harpazo. Therefore, it does appear that full-scale regional warfare in the Middle East and Southwest Asia is a very near inevitability given the closeness of Iranian technological success in achieving nuclear weapon capability. As has been have stated often times before, for Israel "Never Again" means Never Again. The Lord's will be done for His Divine purposes.
     


21 October 2011: It has been a full year since this article was posted here, and an awful lot has changed. Across the Arab-Islamic fundamentalist world there has occurred a sea change, particularly in the past 10 months of this year. Rod-of-Iron dictators who had held Arab Islamic fundamentalists at bay since the Iranian (Persian) revolution of 1979 have been removed from power by popular uprisings or are teetering on the brink of being ousted in the face of armed rebellion, to the killing of key fundamentalist leaders in the Islamic jihad movement. The world has focused on this so-called "Arab Spring."

But another key event has occurred this year which I have mentioned previously in this blog, and that is the ongoing armed clash between the Arab ruling House of Saudi Arabia and the apocalypse-minded Persian Shi'ite Twelver regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran. These armed clashes between Iranian-funded and inspired Shi'a have occurred on Yemeni soil, on Saudi soil and on Bahrani soil. With the recent revelation by the United States of an Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the US and to attack the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, DC this Arab-Persian war nearly arrived on US soil. Understandably, the Saudi's are livid; they are demanding that action be taken against Iran, particularly the ending of its nuclear weapons program by force of arms.

This new paradigm finds the Saudi king and the Israeli leadership in agreement on what needs to be done with respect to the Iranian nuclear program, and the US is voicing its pledge that Iran will be held accountable for the assassination and embassy bombing plot. In Israel there has been conservative opinion expressed which holds that PM Netanyahu and his cabinet agreed to renounce their key principles in dealing with the terrorists of HAMAS to free Gilad Shalit from captivity in order to "clear his desk" for Israel to confront Iran head on. On Tuesday evening, October 11th Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke to his countrymen about a "window of opportunity that is about to be closed and connected it to geostrategic developments."

Is Iran now facing the prospect of a "perfect storm" coming from all directions external to its own borders? Are the words of the prophet Jeremiah below relative to this new situation? I tend to think they are, and I tend to think we may see their fulfillment to the letter as Bible prophecy is always fulfilled. Not only does Iran have this external threat to deal with as the prophecy details, but should the Ayatollah's regime be subjected to the right kind external non-nuclear military action then the door opens for the Iranian regime to see revolt from within its own borders as the second to last verse appears to indicate (emphasis added): "‘And I will send the sword after them Until I have consumed them. I will set My throne in Elam, and will destroy from there the king and the princes' says the Lord."

15 September 2010: Jeremiah 49:34-39

The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam, in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying, “Thus says the LORD of hosts:

Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, The foremost of their might. Against Elam I will bring the four winds From the four quarters of heaven, And scatter them toward all those winds; There shall be no nations where the outcasts of Elam will not go. For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies And before those who seek their life. I will bring disaster upon them, My fierce anger,’ says the LORD; ‘ And I will send the sword after them Until I have consumed them. I will set My throne in Elam, And will destroy from there the king and the princes,’ says the LORD. ‘ But it shall come to pass in the latter days: I will bring back the captives of Elam,’ says the LORD.”

Although this is a work in-progress, I'd like to propose an interpretation whereby this prophetic "Judgment on Elam" from Jeremiah, which self-dates to the beginning of the reign of King Zedekiah, or circa 595 BC, will be fulfilled in the near future, possibly prior to the final fulfillment of Psalm 83, and definitively prior to Ezekiel 38/39. I'm anchoring this future fulfillment upon the historical fact that the Elamite Kingdom ceased to exist during the ten year process of the Assyrian conquest led by King Ashurbanipal which was completed in 639 BC. Since Before Christ dates count downward, the gap of time between these years places the prophetic "Judgment on Elam" as being given to Jeremiah by the Lord approximately 44 years after the Assyrian conquest of Elam, and thus providing a strong context for latter days fulfillment.

There is also the related issue of a clear distinction in those ancient times between the Elamites and the Pä·ras'/Persians (old Persian: Pārsa) of Ezekiel 38:5. The Persian's originated in the region east of Elam defined by the natural boundary created by the Zagros Mountains, and the eastern most extent of the Elamite Kingdom at the city of Anshan/Anzan (modern-day Tepe Maylan, Iran). With the collapse of the Elamite Kingdom the Persians slowly took control with the Medes of what we know today as modern Iran.

According to several maps I've studied, the ancient Elamite Empire could well be considered to constitute the core territory of the present day Iranian nuclear effort (i.e. the uranium mines and yellow cake processing facilities at Saghand and Ardekan, near Yazd; the Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) at the Esfahan; the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, and the nuclear crown jewel at Bushehr). The Iranian nuclear weapons program is fully integrated with the Iranian ballistic missile delivery vehicles, and which together could well be interpreted as the the arrows of "Elam's" bow, "the foremost of their might" of verse 35 which is precisely the greatest strength of the current Iranian military.

In the next verse we read that the judgment comes in the form of "the four winds" (i.e. all points on the compass and intimating many nations) as being the "sword" the Lord sends after them. Also looking at the map of Iran, it does appear that Arab nations, the principle of which is Saudi Arabia, would be among those coming against Elam from the southern "wind" along with many other nations constituting the other three directions. This includes Israel and many other nations such as the NATO alliance, and clearly invokes the modern day notion of a warfighting coalition of nations such as we saw in the early 1990s Operation Desert Storm against Iraq and the present day Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan.

Some current context for this interpretive theory.

19 months ago (FEB 2009) there were more than a few highly qualified nuclear weapons experts at the Herzliya Conference in Israel - one of whom was Russian Major-General Vladimir Dvorkin - who said that the Islamic Republic of Iran already had already achieved a nuclear weapons capability.

This was reported world-wide by Bill Gertz in his "Inside the Ring" column. General Dvorkin was quoted saying, “Iran has developed the capability to produce and fire nuclear weapons.”

General Dvorkin told the Hezliya Conference Iran had acquired most of the components for building its nuclear weapon by 2003, and "The only way I see the problem being resolved is by military action.”

Former U.S. Speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich told this same conference three years ealier that three Iranian nuclear weapons constituted a nuclear holocaust for Israel, and if used against the United States would result in the loss of two to three American cities, and the direct result of such an attack would be that "freedom as we know it will disappear, and we will become a much grimmer, much more militarized, dictatorial society."

It is a standing premise of this interpretive theory that while the "Global Oligarchists" are creating a hideous system of world governance ready-made for the coming Western Antichrist to usurp, they are not even close to being the suicidal maniacs of Jihadist Islam - such as the Shi'a Islamic Republic of Iran has created. I think it reasonable to expect them to act in concert - in a grand military coalition which they most certainly do control right now - to defend the world system they're creating from the Iranian al-mahdist apocalypse.


Arriving at a point-of-no-return regarding Iranian nuclear development, a point possibly defined by an Iranian nuclear test detonation, possibly occurring in North Korea instead of Iran, a coalition of nations attacking these many above ground nuclear sites might release radiation and necessitate the need for the population to seek refuge in distant places, as intimated in verse 36c: "There shall be no nations where the outcasts of Elam will not go." The Bushehr plant particularly meets this criteria.

49 comments:

Expected Imminently said...

Gosh! This is really fascinating, and certainly appears plausible at first and second glance.

Could this be linked with Psalm 83and Damascus do you think?

Have you spoken with others about it?

That’s my bedtime reading sorted for tonight! More please asap.

God bless and guide you with this.
Sue

Expected Imminently said...

Sean

I meant to add that in his recent biography, Tony Blair has said he supports military action against Iran!

Could that remark be paving the way for something pending?
Sue

hartdawg said...

interesting assessment. (sorry bout the bad spelling) i`ll have to look at it more carefully. you mentioned the difference between the elamites (again sorry bout the spelling) and persians. well, some versions use the same word for both people groups. not sure what to think.

son of thunder said...

I wonder: Could this be a catalyst for Psalm 83 or Ezekiel 38 and 39? Definitely something to look at.

SeanOsborne said...

I began looking at these verses in Jeremiah some months ago.

It all began when I opined an interpretive theory which was limited to just the U.S. and/or Israel striking Iranian nuclear sites as being the catalyst for Isaiah 17, which in turn would be the catalyst for Psalm 83, and then after Israel recovered from those wars Ezekiel 38/39 would occur.

The problem was that a specifc prophecy about Iran was missing to sequentially tie that interpretive theory together. I prayed, "Lord, what am I missing here?"

Then about a month ago what you read in this blog entry above hit me like a ton of bricks, and it was strange because I'd read those same six verses dozens of times and nothing stuck out as being obvious.

Yet that one day it just hit me like a stream of conscious, clarified thought, and I began to study every aspect, virtually every original Hebrew word of those six verses in Jeremiah, pouring over every map and historical record of Elam and Persia I could find and, what you see above is the result, and it's still a work in progress.

But the reason I posted this yesterday was due to a series of privates emails which really had nothing to do, originally, with this subject, until one dear brother made the comment that he didn't see anything in prophecy regarding an Arab-Persian conflict. I responded that I did and wrote a nutshell version of this article as my response.

Except for the comments here, nothing further was mentioned in that email chain about it.

Nathan Jones said...

I'm going to chew on this for awhile, that's for sure.

Sean, how do you see this playing out in the end timeline? Iran would have to have a coalition go against them, be scattered, return, and then be a key player in Gog-Magog, right? I'm more inclined to think the destruction of the Medo-Persian Empire by the Greeks was the fulfillment, or at least a fulfillment in type of what the Antichrist will do just after Ezekiel 38-39.

SeanOsborne said...

Nathan,

Yeah, a thorough chewing is in order as this is some really rare meat from the Word.

I see this as possible precipitating event for Isaiah 17, and the nuking of Damascus as the precipitating event for Psalm 83.

I think this prophecy is specific to that portion of Iran which was ancient Elam, and not the whole of the islamic Republic.

I see this prophecy as the reason why Iran is militarily suppressed so that it is not a participant in either the Isaiah 17 or the Psalm 83 scenarios, but why it re-emerges as a key player in the Ezekiel 38/39 prophecy.

The "four winds" is the primary key to this prophecy - the destruction comes from all directions.

The Assyrian destruction came from the west and northwest of Elam and occured prior to the prophetic Word coming to Jeremiah.

The conquest of Medo-Persia by Alexander came from just one direction - the West.

Neither Elam or Iran/Persia were ever militarily overwhelmed from every direction simultaneously, but as of right now Iran is totally surrounded - in every direction - by an ostensibly allied military coalition and military might of the US, NATO, Israel and Arab nations.

And the focus of this coalition is limited to the nuclear sites and the long-range delivery systems - represented prophetically by the bow. The language here is far different from the details given in Ezekiel 38/39 of the weapons and armament involved.

Thus the focus is on the ancient territory of Elam, which today is heavily Arab vice Persian ethnically, and why I thought it necessary to make the distinction between Elamites and the Persians... mostly because Jeremiah was given that distinction.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting, and you are right, when you look at it with current events in mind it jumps out at you.

One question though. Is this a prophecy against the people or the land or both? If the people then are the descendants of Elam still in this area?

SeanOsborne said...

Anon wrote:

"Is this a prophecy against the people or the land or both?"

I believe it is both.

The prophetic word is first specific to the land of Elam, then to the weapons they possess and for which they are reknowned, and then to the people who leave the land to every nation on earth.

However, in a future time there is a restoration of both the people and the land of Elam - which I would surmise probably occurs during the Millennial reign of Christ.


"... are the descendants of Elam still in this area?"

The times mentioned in the article are known historically as the Neo-Elamite II and III Periods, but the Elamites as a group of peoples and tribes date back to 2700 BC and even earlier. Elamites are a Semitic people, descended from Shem. Their contemporaries, the Mesopotamians, wrote that Elam was the whole of the territory from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf. It is almost a certainty that their descendants still live in this region, albeit intermixed with Arabs, Persians and Medes.

hartdawg said...

hey, here`s a question: since according to bill salus suadi arabia is involved in psalm 83 (tho i question that, no offense to his great scholarship) and suadi at this point is more afraid of iran than isreal, could this prophecy be the event that finally aligns saudi with the psalm 83 nations sinc iran wont be an immediate threat?

hartdawg said...

i been saying for a few month that if saudi is involved in psalm 83 than something major has to happen because they`re more concerned about iran than isreal so at this point they need isreal. what do you think? is this prophecy the event that needs to happen?

SeanOsborne said...

hartdawg,

Saudi Arabia is not a part of the Pslam 83 war according to Bill salus.

Saudi Arabia is a part of the Psalm 83 war according to the prophetic word of God given to Asaph.

Psalm 83 verse six clearly identifies the Ishmaelites - the forefathers of the Saudi Arabians.

As for something major happening - I would think that the nuking of Damascus in Isaiah 17 is pretty major.

hartdawg said...

i`d agree the nuking of damascus is pretty major. i guess i`m just wondering if jeremiah 49 occurs at the same time as isaiah 17 since it seems to me (the word is seems cuz i`m unsure) irans nukes must be destroyed prior to psalm 83 and currently saudi arabia will let isreal use their airspace to do so. i need to reread isrealstine again since i gave my copy to my mom in alaska a year and a half ago and i only read it once.

mark3210 said...

Sean,
I know the Mideast is still very close to a major war right now, but what do you think is the latest that a major war (or these prophecies you keep speaking of) could begin?
Assuming there is no major provocation from Iran or it's allies, how much longer can Israel allow Iran to build nukes and not take action to stop it?

SeanOsborne said...

mark3210 said...
"Assuming there is no major provocation from Iran or it's allies, how much longer can Israel allow Iran to build nukes and not take action to stop it?"

Only up to the point where Israel's leadership becomes convinced that Iran is about to complete a working nuclear device.

hartdawg said...

political annylists say that`s about a year away. personaly i suspect it`s closer. could be wrong tho.

SeanOsborne said...

This article has now been updated, towards the end, beginning with the words "19 months ago..."

mark3210 said...

But you've been telling us Sean, that Iran already has working nuclear devices, right? Or did all of those come from outside sources and Iran didn't make them?
And how many of the earthquakes that took place the last few years in Iran have been nuke tests? I know that defectors have claimed some of them were...
http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs/2018399:BlogPost:11698

SeanOsborne said...

mark3210 said...
"But you've been telling us Sean, that Iran already has working nuclear devices, right?"

Yup, that right. I've been making the assessment that Iran was much further along in its nuclear weapons program than any "offical" source would admit to ... until Dvorkin made his comments at the Herzliya Conference and the revelation about the nuclear centrifuge and weapons design digital files A.Q. Khan was discovered to have sold to Iran.

Those reports supported my assessment.

Undergroud nuclear tests and earthquakes, which have both been routinely recorded by numerous seismographs in the past, have a very distinctive characteristics which unambiguously sets them apart from one another.

I've not seen any seismographs which are indicative of an Iranian N-test.

When an Iranian underground test does occur, that will be ultimate proof of my assessment, and the end of the charade regarding Iranian nuclear weapons progress.

mark3210 said...

Didn't North Korea do underground nuclear testing? I don't recall much response from the West or even public confirmations from anyone.

SeanOsborne said...

Yes, the North Korean's tested twice.

My opinion was and remains that a North Korean test IS a de facto Iranian test.

Their first test was very low yield, the second was significantly more.

A warning for a potential third test was issued recently.

Both DPRK nuke tests were acknowledged by our government and others.

Anonymous said...

Sean, I agree with everything you have said here, but I have a slightly different time line. I think that the Y'israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear & military facilities, possibly even some of the leadership will be targeted. This will instantly trigger the Psalm 83 conflict, or at least Lebanon, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas. Syria and Hezbollah will quickly if not initially start using their chemical warheads for fear of loosing them to Y'israeli counter-attacks, which will in turn result in Y'israel destroying Damascus ~ Isaiah 17 being fulfilled. When Damascus is destroyed and Iran has been de-fanged, the alliance of necessity will be over between Saudi, Egypt, Jordan and Y'israel, for the Arab states people will scream foul and demand Y'israeli heads for the destruction of Damascus by nuke or scaler weapon. Now the Western part of Saudi Arabia is more under the control of terrorist supportive warlords, so perhaps it is only part of Saudi that is involved. Obadiah 1:17-21 will be fulfill by the end of the Psalm 83 campaign.

That is the general way I see things unfolding. From a layman's point of view.

Maranatha! Mark

mark3210 said...

What I meant was we know North Korea announced 2 nuclear tests but in the years prior to that there were various allegations they had done secret nuke tests.

SeanOsborne said...

Mark wrote:
"Sean, I agree with everything you have said here, but I have a slightly different time line. I think that the Y'israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear & military facilities, possibly even some of the leadership will be targeted. This will instantly trigger the Psalm 83 conflict, or at least Lebanon, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas."

Mark,

If only Lebanon, Hezbollah, Syria and HAMAS react militarily to such an attack then it can't be the final 10-nation "inner ring" Psalm 83 fulfillment specified by Asaph.

We must include the Saudis, the Egyptians, the Jordanians with the assistance "Asshur"(Iraq) who are specified by Aspah as acting together from the get-go in their conspiracy to destroy Israel. These are all overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim nations.

I believe this is why Isaiah 17 preceeds and is a catalyst for the Psalm 83 final fulfillment. I believe an Israeli destruction of Arab Damascus in retaliation for a Hezbollah/Syrian Bio-chem missile assault against Israel would have such an effect on the "inner ring" Arab nations Asaph identified, and who are the core membership of the Sunni Arab League.

This is why I assess that ALL of the Psalm 83 nations would not attack Israel with the intent to destroy the country because of a strike on Iranian nuclear infrastructure. In a nutshell, Sunni Arabs go to war defending Sunni Arab interests, not the hegemonic, non-Arab, Shi'a apocalyptic Persian interests.

The core issue of this interpretive theory is that a Western-Arab-Israel coalition strike on Iran's nuke infrastructure might just be the preceedent action which kicks off the sequence of Isaiah 17, Psalm 83 and, eventually, Ezekiel 38/39.

hartdawg said...

i find this somewhat confusing. i seems to me both mark and sean present very plausible senerios and they both answer my question as to how psalm 83 can come about since saudi currently needs isreal. 1 question remains: where does the u.s. fit into all this? cuz as of now i DONT foresee america doing a single thing militarily against iran while under the obama regime.

SeanOsborne said...

If this interpretive theory for Jeremiah 49:34-39 is correct then perhaps it hints at why Israel has not yet struck Iranian nuclear sites...

Perhaps some kind of a deal has been struck with the US telling Israel something to the effect of... "don't go it alone, wait a little while longer and then we'll ALL go in and get the job done."

Might also explain the crush of "all or nothing" direct negotiations with the PA now going on.

We'll see.

skullee said...

Sean,
Your timing, or better yet, God's timing is impeccable. Check out this link, I think it ties in to what you are getting at.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139437

SeanOsborne said...

skullee,

Yes, that ArutzSheva article about Dr. Mordechai Kedar's warnings is very timely indeed.

Moreover, it absolutely hits center mass on one aspect of my interpretive theory on Jeremiah 49:34-39 regarding the southern aspect of the "four winds."

That aspect translates into Arab military action against Iran's bow ("Elam"), "the foremost of their might."

Excellent find and thanks very much for bringing it to our attention! Everything is certainly right on schedule with the Lord's plan.

hartdawg said...

If what you're saying is correct, then that would further xplain why iran is not involved (actively) in psalm 83 but employs russias help in gog/magog

Brian GC said...

I enjoyed this article Sean; with the present state of things it has a great deal of merit. I will be looking for further developments.

Great Grany 5 said...

Sean,
Just reading your post again and because you have stirred up my lifetime desire to know the figurative meaning of God's Word, I did some more research on my own.
I wanted to know what "the Bow" meant in that passage of Jeremiah and began searching. I found the following and wanted to share it with you. It has helped me to understand a little better and hopefully, might do the same for others too.

In Helmer Ringgren's "Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament,
Volume 13, he gives this definition of the bow used in Jeremiah 49:
6. Figurative Use> Figurative use of the noun qeset in the OT is common and varied. Often the bow serves as a general symbol for a long-distance weapon. In parallel with the short sword (here), which represents weapons used in close combat. The expression "bow and (short) sword" (qeset w2hereb. Hos. 2:20 thus denotes weapons collectively (Gen. 48:22; Josh.24:12; 1Sam. 18:4; 2Sam. 1:22; 2 Kg. 6:22; Isa. 21:15; Ps.44:7; see also Ps. 7:13; 37:14; 76:4; 1 Chron. 5:18.) This usage shows that a formula like "take with one's sword and bow" (Gen. 48:22; 2 Kg. 6:22) is tantamount to "take by one's own efforts."...In Zec. 10:4 the "bow" is a metaphor for the charismatic leader of the eschaton. As we see in Isa. 21:16-17 and Job 29:20, the "bow" can also parallel "glory" (kabod).
The bow can thus express the power and military might of a nation. Most of the OT passages using it in this sense, however, speak of the breaking of this bow. The earliest text is Hosea's threat pronounced in the name of Yahweh: "On that day I will break the bow of Israel (qeset yisra'el), which could also mean "the bow Israel" in the valley of Jezreel (Hos. 1:5). SIMILAR WORDS APPEAR IN
THE ORACLE OF YAHWEH AGAINST ELAM, dating from 597 B.C.E: "I am going
to break the bow of Elam, the mainstay of their might (resit g
burtam) Jer. 49:35; also sbr qal in Hos. 2:20); piel in Ps. 46:10; 76:4. But this oracle continues with a prophecy that Yahweh will set up his throne in Elam, a notion resembling the Egyptian notion of the Pharaoh, who "with bent bow reigns enthroned over beasts or humans or both. But the OT is clearly unfamiliar with the conception of the peoples of the earth as nine bows under the feet of Pharaoh, although Ps. 83:7-9 names nine enemy peoples."
If you would care to read it further, I found it on Google Books. I tried to do a hyperlink but the address was not accepted by the rules of HTML tags.
I found the fact that "the bow" could mean a long distance weapon very interesting and very modern.

GG5

SeanOsborne said...

GG5,

Yes, exactly.

The Hebrew word bow (qesheth)
having the specific meaning of a long-distance weapon is precisely the literal meaning I have always believed the Lord intended for us to understand here.

There's no question that missiles - all of them long range weapons by definition - are the primary weapon in the Iranian arsenal, and they prefer to use them enmasse.

hartdawg said...

I may have previously said this but it seems to me Jeremiah 49 has to precede psalm 83 (maybe trigger it????) because that's the only senerio that explains why Iran is not involved in psalm 83. Am i correct?

David said...

Mr. Osborne, thank you. This helps me a lot! I was just talking to one of the friends about Jeremiah 49 and where or how it fit into the time line.

SeanOsborne said...

hartdawg,

Yes, that's the sequence I also believe will play out in the very near future. As many of us have discussed for a couple of years now, it the only eschatological reason I find acceptable as to why Iran is utterly and completely absent from Psalm 83 or any of the other closely related prophecies.

Additionally, this explains why Iran sn seen in the subsequent prophecy of Ezekiel 38/39 as a very minor role player specifically listed with such insignificant military powers such as Phut (Libya) and Sudan (Kuwsh).

SeanOsborne said...

David,

You're most welcome. If there are any other questions I hope I can be of assistance in answering them for you.

hartdawg said...

Would obama give the approval for an attack on an election year or would he hold off til after elections? on one hand i'd think he'd be wary of having another war to deal with with elections coming up, on the other hand this would be the perfect "crisis" to suspend elections (don't think he'd do that) and people wouldn't want to change administrations during war time.

Great Grany 5 said...

I just finished reading an article on a site brand new to me. A friend was discussing the Iranian Mania he thinks all of us Prophecy Buffs are going overboard on and sent this link as a bad joke. I have forgotten how to do tags so I am just going to copy the URL.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/27/iranian-naval-admiral-if-needed-we-can-move-to-within-three-miles-of-new-york/

I don't think he is funny at all and for some reason I can believe that Iran would attempt such a thing but I also know from past experiences that they like to boast a lot about make believe plans.

I am of the opinion that Jeremiah 49 decapitates Iran (Persia) to the place that Russia mistakenly takes up the mantle for them against the USA and Israel. I know that Israel is the only one mentioned in Ez. 38 and 39 but of course they are. After all, that is the Land that God brought the Hebrew Children to and promised to their seed.

But if this article is correct we are much closer to a real confrontation with Iran than we realize. Is there any truth in what they are claiming Sean?

GG5 (makes me sound equal to MI5 don't you think?)

SeanOsborne said...

Zero's re-election chances may depend on his using the U.S. military for an overwhelming victory over the Iranian regime; he might very well not have an option otherwise.

Zero gave a backhanded slap and abandoned the Iranian anti-regime protestors to their fate; he has coddled and negotiated with this world-leading terrorist regime - all to no avail; he's even gone begging before our enemies to wait until after an election he cannot promise to win. He has no clue that these enemies will cut him (and us) off at the knees if given the chance.

So what Zero is left with is the fact that his Gulf Sunni Arab allies want an Iran campaign, the Israeli's want it and the vast majority of US citizens want it.

What Zero has to do at this point is give the green light for a two month blitz to neuter the Iranian of their nuclear threat. Without it somebody put a fork in him, he's done.

hartdawg said...

Sean
1) i love how you referred to him as zero. its great
2)keep posting the truth. the sad fact is when you post the truth bloggers are gonna come and insult, mock and ridicule. according to scripture that's to be expected. i just didn't expect it from fellow christians.(i saw the deleted post...unfortunately) it means your speaking the truth.

Drew said...

Reports that Israel has called up 16 reserve batallions this afternoon for use along both the Egytian and Syrian borders. Viewed in conjunction with the major IDF exercise along the dorders with Syria and Lebenon and the information posted here, I get the feeling that something may be happining. I know that the IRG and Iranian navy are exercising in this area right now, makes me wonder if their intelligence is also sending them warnings of something comming their way. Pass the popcorn please.

mark3210 said...

Sean,
If we are truly living in the end times how come bible prophecy isn't taught more in churches and synagogues?
I went through 5 yeara of hebrew school growing up (graduated in 1994) and I really don't remember them teaching us any of this stuff (although it's possible they did a little because it's so long ago).

hartdawg said...

Mark
i in no way speak for sean but 2 peter 3:3-4 says in the last days scoffers will be scoffing saying "where is the promise of his coming?" sadly this contempt for prophecy has crept into the church as scriptures foretold. Pastors view prohecy as sensational or allegorical or irrelevant. this attitude proves we are in the last days

SeanOsborne said...

mark3210 wrote...

"If we are truly living in the end times how come bible prophecy isn't taught more in churches and synagogues?"

Mark3210,

Spirit-filled "Bride of Christ" churches and synogogues (Messianic congregations that is) are teaching Bible prophecy; have been for some time now.

For anyone out there who notices their church or synagogue isn't teaching prophecy, well... I'd say it's well past time for that person to find a new church or synagogue which is engaged in such teaching.

mark3210 said...

hartdawg,
I actually found this blog because I followed Sean over here from his NEIN site.
I know there was a recent poll that showed 14% of people in the world and 22% of people in US think the world will end in their lifetimes.
If anything maybe I thought that number would've been lower but it shows the majority of people still need more signs we're close to the end if that's truly the case.

Drew said...

Mark3210,
Don't give up! If you are expecting a human being such as Sean or anyone here to give you the exact date of the return of Christ, then you are going to be greatly disssapointed. You know Christ said himseelf that no man knows the day or hour of his return, but he did say that we can know the seasons! And much like a lot of the Bride of Christ, we look and sense that the season is upon us!

As to why prophecy is not taught more in churches, I offer my opinion. I think some pastors are hesitant to preach on the end times because they don’t want to get everyone stirred up. They cling to this idea of not knowing the day or hour and so they just don't deal with it. But they forget that in addition to knowing the season, they also forget that Paul said we shouldn’t be taken by surprise.

But I think it all boils down to the reality that most pastors are just too busy. They weren’t taught prophecy in seminary and now don’t have the time to learn it well enough to be able to state with conviction that the end is near. Like most people, they hope it is but they’re not willing to stake their reputations on it.

Just my opinion.

SeanOsborne said...

For the record... I have not set a date or a specific number of years to pass before the commencement of Gabriel's prophecy about the 70th Week.

However, generally speaking, I also believe that given the things which must fulfill (take place) in a pre-70th Week sequence of prophecies we're likely somewhere within the final score of years before that time arrives.

Of course it goes without saying that the GOD-ONLY-KNOWS-WHEN pre-70th Week Hapazo can occur at any given nanosecond between this second and the next.

Brian GC said...

Sean
I have been wondering why Israel has been holding off. Then I remembered this article on Jeremiah 49:36.
We may not know the political whys and wherefores but scripture is a more sure word of prophecy and it seems Israel will not go it alone.
In fact it may be that Israel will not have to participate at all.

SeanOsborne said...

Brian GC,

I am convinced that Israel has not attacked yet because they remain (for the most part) spiritually blind, deaf and hard of heart (Deuteronomy 29, Romans 11).

Israeli's want most of all to be accepted as role players in the current world order; they want to deal with the West and the rest of the world as if it were business as usual. The lesson of what all previous world empires - from Nebuchadnezzar's vision - have done to them throughout history and will continue to do to them remains an unlearned lesson. This is why they will, in the near future, accept the "covenant among many" as well as the man who will confirm it for 7 years.

Israeli's also are not on the whole convinced (from their Judaic perspective that is) that the time for the appearance of both Moshiach ben Yosef and Moshiach ben David is at hand, as the Iranian Shi'a Twelvers are convinced that the mythical al-Mahdi's appearance is at hand.

Sad to say at this point, but as it was in circa 30-33 AD, Israel still has not the foggiest idea of what time it is even though they themselves are the key to the Lord's prophetic clock.